I saw this yesterday after finding the link to this amazing response to this article from a struggling teenager. You should also put this under mandatory reading. ;) -- http://tinyurl.com/6rqxnj5
Thanks for sharing - i will blog that one after I have given everyone time to read the original article. No sense in blogging the response first... right?
Fantastic! - Actually, I posted the response first because the link to the article was within the first paragraph. At least you'll be chronological. :)
Your approach is probably better ... the response is what made the whole thing go viral - not the original blog post per se...
So basically I followed the crowd is all... :P
Sorry. I just couldn't get into this. A lot of it sounded like crap to me. The closest I could comprehend what he was saying was "Love the sinner, hate the sin." Even that is probably missing the mark because it sounds like he doesn't believe in sin. Baloney. I'm supposed to throw my arms around Hitler? That guy who killed those 7 people at the college a few days ago just needs a hug? Come on. It's one thing to say that we should not judge people on who they are. But I can certainly judge a person on his/her actions especially if they harm other people. I know the key word there is "harm" because to some people seeing an exposed breast or penis could be considered "harmful."
I don't think he was advocating condoning harmful deeds in any way, shape or form. He is speaking out against hating people because of who they are. He made no mention about hating people because of what they have done.
He mentions "criminals" in his post and somewhere else he mentions people that were in jail. That's why I had such an issue with what he had to say. It was a bit off-putting to have being gay grouped together with being criminals or engaging in self destructive behaviors. It seemed to me that some of what he was saying was just another side of anarchy. We shouldn't declare something as a "sin" or "evil" so that means that anything goes. If someone doesn't see anything wrong with diddling little boys or animals, then who are we to say that it is wrong. It just comes across as a slippery slope. It would be nice if love was the ruling force, but it seems like such a pipe dream.
Loving someone doesn't mean not stopping them from doing harm or punishing them for harm they have done. It does mean not enjoying it. Sometimes, when we say we're oppressing someone to protect others, it's really true, but most of the time, it's a lie to cover the fact that oppressing is fun, it makes us feel big and powerful and in control. But most people can't get that pleasure from oppressing someone they accept as having value, that they really think of as another person.
The fundamental error is he misstates God as love, using love as a noun rather than God loves us in not giving us what we deserve....death.
6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
1 John 4:10
English Standard Version (ESV)
10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
The message of the cross is not condemnation for we are all are stand condemned in our sins and trespasses or acceptance of our bondage to sin but Christ love in that he took the punishment unto himself on the cross. It what I will be commemoration today on Mandy Thursday,tomorrow on Good Friday and on Easter Sunday. It also who I have to flesh this out tomorrow or Saturday.
...good points... didn't think of that... love as a noun rather than as a verb... love as an idea rather than an action...
No love is an action God love us first. While we ALL still were dead dead in out own sins ad rebellion against god, Christ has died for us. The problem is Laughing dad has the wrong focus on man.
Christianity is not our (flawed by or sin nature) love but God's love for us. Which I will commemorating tonight during Good Friday service.
Edited at 2012-04-06 11:51 pm (UTC)
I'm going to say one thing with regard to this:
Loving someone and having sex with someone are two different things. You can love someone very, very deeply, but you would never have sex with them.
While I agree that hatred, in all forms, is destructive, to claim that all of the opponents of Proposition 8 are haters is demagoguery of the worst kind, and borders on hatred itself.
If you support Prop 8 then you are supporting subjugating a minority from having the same rights as everyone else. The religious argument is ridiculous since marriage is granted by the state and not by the church. It has nothing to do with religion but everything to do with oppression.
Remember that whole "separate but equal" argument that was once used to justify discrimination? It was wrong back then and it is still wrong today.
I posted that article along with the post he did a few days later on a response he got on my fb....got some interesting comments- yet I will say his article hits things on the head.
I actually attend a church that is openly accepting of LGBT- allows them to be full members and hold offices. I joined that church because they preached beyond the soapboxes that some churches tend to spend a lot of time on (protesting clinics...long negative tirades about homosexuality during sermons) ...and focus more on humanitarian work and what Jesus taught. We are known for the acts we do to help and not what we protest. It's the only church I have been to that I feel is "doing it right"...I know I am bias...but I just can not stand the idea of Christianity being an elitist club- you can only be Christian if you are A,B,and C- when in reality that goes directly against the teachings of Christ.