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"Why is it that sometimes the most Christlike people... [Apr. 5th, 2012|09:52 am]
BucktownTiger, Lead Shopwrecker
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...are they who have no religion at all?"

I haven't even finished this article - I'm just halfway through the second page - yet I am hereby declaring this article by Dan Pearce, Single Dad Laughing, as Mandatory Shop Reading.

Read this article. All three pages. If it times out on you or you get a server-is-full error (over 300,000 Facebook likes and counting), then dammit, try again and keep trying until you finish the article. This is not optional. If you don't have time to read the article, that is no excuse. Make time to read this article.

You will be happy you did.
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From: hbmchance
2012-04-05 03:08 pm (UTC)
I saw this yesterday after finding the link to this amazing response to this article from a struggling teenager. You should also put this under mandatory reading. ;) -- http://tinyurl.com/6rqxnj5
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[User Picture]From: bucktowntiger
2012-04-05 03:22 pm (UTC)
Thanks for sharing - i will blog that one after I have given everyone time to read the original article. No sense in blogging the response first... right?
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From: hbmchance
2012-04-05 03:42 pm (UTC)
Fantastic! - Actually, I posted the response first because the link to the article was within the first paragraph. At least you'll be chronological. :)
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[User Picture]From: bucktowntiger
2012-04-05 04:13 pm (UTC)
Your approach is probably better ... the response is what made the whole thing go viral - not the original blog post per se...
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From: hbmchance
2012-04-05 04:22 pm (UTC)
So basically I followed the crowd is all... :P
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[User Picture]From: skippyfox
2012-04-05 04:25 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much for sharing that! I am reading some of the responses and found this one to be pretty powerful.

http://www.danoah.com/2011/12/men-in-uniform-respond-to-the-post-im-christian-unless-youre-gay.html/3/
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[User Picture]From: sabotlours
2012-04-05 05:59 pm (UTC)
Sorry. I just couldn't get into this. A lot of it sounded like crap to me. The closest I could comprehend what he was saying was "Love the sinner, hate the sin." Even that is probably missing the mark because it sounds like he doesn't believe in sin. Baloney. I'm supposed to throw my arms around Hitler? That guy who killed those 7 people at the college a few days ago just needs a hug? Come on. It's one thing to say that we should not judge people on who they are. But I can certainly judge a person on his/her actions especially if they harm other people. I know the key word there is "harm" because to some people seeing an exposed breast or penis could be considered "harmful."
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[User Picture]From: bucktowntiger
2012-04-05 06:27 pm (UTC)
I don't think he was advocating condoning harmful deeds in any way, shape or form. He is speaking out against hating people because of who they are. He made no mention about hating people because of what they have done.
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[User Picture]From: sabotlours
2012-04-05 06:49 pm (UTC)
He mentions "criminals" in his post and somewhere else he mentions people that were in jail. That's why I had such an issue with what he had to say. It was a bit off-putting to have being gay grouped together with being criminals or engaging in self destructive behaviors. It seemed to me that some of what he was saying was just another side of anarchy. We shouldn't declare something as a "sin" or "evil" so that means that anything goes. If someone doesn't see anything wrong with diddling little boys or animals, then who are we to say that it is wrong. It just comes across as a slippery slope. It would be nice if love was the ruling force, but it seems like such a pipe dream.
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[User Picture]From: tigertoy
2012-04-05 08:11 pm (UTC)
Loving someone doesn't mean not stopping them from doing harm or punishing them for harm they have done. It does mean not enjoying it. Sometimes, when we say we're oppressing someone to protect others, it's really true, but most of the time, it's a lie to cover the fact that oppressing is fun, it makes us feel big and powerful and in control. But most people can't get that pleasure from oppressing someone they accept as having value, that they really think of as another person.
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From: actonrf
2012-04-05 08:05 pm (UTC)
The fundamental error is he misstates God as love, using love as a noun rather than God loves us in not giving us what we deserve....death.
Romans 5:6-7
6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

1 John 4:10

English Standard Version (ESV)

10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
The message of the cross is not condemnation for we are all are stand condemned in our sins and trespasses or acceptance of our bondage to sin but Christ love in that he took the punishment unto himself on the cross. It what I will be commemoration today on Mandy Thursday,tomorrow on Good Friday and on Easter Sunday. It also who I have to flesh this out tomorrow or Saturday.
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[User Picture]From: bucktowntiger
2012-04-05 09:14 pm (UTC)
...good points... didn't think of that... love as a noun rather than as a verb... love as an idea rather than an action...
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From: actonrf
2012-04-06 11:47 pm (UTC)
No love is an action God love us first. While we ALL still were dead dead in out own sins ad rebellion against god, Christ has died for us. The problem is Laughing dad has the wrong focus on man.

Christianity is not our (flawed by or sin nature) love but God's love for us. Which I will commemorating tonight during Good Friday service.

Edited at 2012-04-06 11:51 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: maxgoof
2012-04-05 11:40 pm (UTC)
I'm going to say one thing with regard to this:

Loving someone and having sex with someone are two different things. You can love someone very, very deeply, but you would never have sex with them.

While I agree that hatred, in all forms, is destructive, to claim that all of the opponents of Proposition 8 are haters is demagoguery of the worst kind, and borders on hatred itself.
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[User Picture]From: foxxdamone
2012-04-07 02:57 am (UTC)
If you support Prop 8 then you are supporting subjugating a minority from having the same rights as everyone else. The religious argument is ridiculous since marriage is granted by the state and not by the church. It has nothing to do with religion but everything to do with oppression.
Remember that whole "separate but equal" argument that was once used to justify discrimination? It was wrong back then and it is still wrong today.
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[User Picture]From: taffypinkdino
2012-04-08 10:29 pm (UTC)
I posted that article along with the post he did a few days later on a response he got on my fb....got some interesting comments- yet I will say his article hits things on the head.

I actually attend a church that is openly accepting of LGBT- allows them to be full members and hold offices. I joined that church because they preached beyond the soapboxes that some churches tend to spend a lot of time on (protesting clinics...long negative tirades about homosexuality during sermons) ...and focus more on humanitarian work and what Jesus taught. We are known for the acts we do to help and not what we protest. It's the only church I have been to that I feel is "doing it right"...I know I am bias...but I just can not stand the idea of Christianity being an elitist club- you can only be Christian if you are A,B,and C- when in reality that goes directly against the teachings of Christ.
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