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If you could elect an official leader of the furry fandom, who would it be, and why?

[User Picture]From: aethwolf
2012-04-20 06:55 pm (UTC)
The problem with electing a leader is that s/he likely could be voted out, too. I think the best leader of the furry fandom would be also be very much disliked for putting an end to a lot of the bullshit. Furries don't seem to like it very much when someone puts their foot down and starts enforcing law and order on them.
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[User Picture]From: phoenix_audubon
2012-04-22 05:59 am (UTC)
Sounds about right to me. =]
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[User Picture]From: sabotlours
2012-04-20 07:19 pm (UTC)
Ted Nugent. If you act like a retard, he'll put an arrow through you.
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From: hbmchance
2012-04-20 07:37 pm (UTC)
Aethwolf - It isn't just the fandom that hates it when authority smacks down the law. Most people do not enjoy this - from kids to adults. People just want to be able to do what they want and the way the fandom works only at a convention or gathering is there a need for some sort of authority to be established by an individual or a group of leaders.

There aren't "leaders" of gaming, Trekkies, Star Wars fans, etc... There may be people we will look up to for some of these fan bases. For examples, gamers may look up to Wil Wheaton as someone to learn about gaming. Furries may look up at people who are working towards making a difference and are being positive.

Especially with events such as Fernando's closing in our recent history, people would right now be hyped about Uncle Kage. I am always hyped about Kyell Gold, someone who I feel is a progressive thinker and is very open minded an positive. For music I would look up to Foxamoore (most of the time). For art I would look up to Blotch. For fursuit piano playing, I'd obviously look at you.

The point is, in any fandom or following there are people who work hard to improve what they enjoy. But I think they belong in the role model role and the idea of a "President" is irrelevant.
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[User Picture]From: maxgoof
2012-04-20 10:45 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: aethwolf
2012-04-21 01:23 am (UTC)
Look at how the fandom reacts whenever AC or FA makes a change in their rules. Kage/Dragoneer suddenly become communazi fascists who are worse than Hitler, Pol Pot, etc. I'm about convinced there'd be a drama shitstorm if AC explicitly listed rape and murder as being against con rules.

Also, I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't object to rules like "Shower before showing up at a furmeet" the same way furries would. There'd probably be hundreds of furries saying such a rule was an affront to their very lifestyle.
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From: hbmchance
2012-04-21 03:50 am (UTC)
Rape and murder do not need to be against con rules. They break a huge boundary on the grounds of the human moral fiber. I think getting kicked out of a convention would be the least of their worries.

Yes, it is helpful for people to go to a con to be able to smell fresher smells then dank scent of those who prefer to not shower. However, there has never been a rule to shower in order to attend a convention. Hell, even in the human world, there is no rule against being dirty, and I don't think conventions will take up such a ridiculous rule anytime soon. It's not just furries, but the stench appears in any fandom and at conventions.

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[User Picture]From: aethwolf
2012-04-21 04:08 am (UTC)
Are you deliberately missing the point? I'm not saying rape and murder need to be against con rules. I'm saying that if they were furries would complain about how facist Kage is for not letting the rapefurs and murderfurs be themselves at AC.

The shower example was the first one that came to mind that would be a a good rule for furry or any fandom that a leader could implement. Furries would be highly likely to complain about such a rule, despite it being a very good one, and claim the leader and the people charged with enforcing it are worse than Hitler and the SS.
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From: hbmchance
2012-04-21 05:48 am (UTC)
I would love to see a survey back these claims.
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[User Picture]From: aethwolf
2012-04-21 05:55 am (UTC)
Look at the shitstorm that arises every time FA updates their AUP/TOS.
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[User Picture]From: tybron
2012-04-21 11:30 pm (UTC)
Requiring soap and clean clothing have been in Oklacon's official rules for nearly 10 years now and no one complained. I seem to recall similar rules in other con books. Granted they're not saying you HAVE to shower but saying soap is mandatory heavily implies it.
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[User Picture]From: tigertoy
2012-04-20 07:41 pm (UTC)
Anyone who'd want the job shouldn't have it. I wouldn't wish it on anyone I'd respect enough to vote for. What would the fandom gain from this hypothetical leader that would be worth putting them through that kind of stress and probably turning them into someone I wouldn't like any more?
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[User Picture]From: shockwave77598
2012-04-20 09:06 pm (UTC)
Yay!! Absolutely!! The best way of determining qualification for the office is to see who is running the fastest to get away from the nomination booth. :)
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From: actonrf
2012-04-20 07:49 pm (UTC)
We don't have a leader.
In fact, we do not need a leader.
We don't need no stinkin leader.

The problem with leader in a fan group is we lose innovation. We are fans of our own creation; we do not need a megalomaniac to put some fandom purity test trip on the fandom. The last thing we need is to become like the Brony or Star-trek fandoms.
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[User Picture]From: yappyfox
2012-04-20 09:02 pm (UTC)
Anyone, who's name gets up to "Leader" is going to be the most hated and loved person at the same time.

Even if you were to use the example of Kage. People love his ability, and others loath and despise him.

Same holds true of the president. They either love him, or the hate him. Popularity can increase or decline during the term.

It is a hard position to be the "Leader" I sure as hell don't want the job.

I could never apply for public office, since when the closet door gets opened, I'm gonna have an entire parade of skeletons come marching out of mine. Since the only thing I can lead are furry parades :>

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[User Picture]From: kj_roo
2012-04-20 09:51 pm (UTC)
We don't need a leader, we're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. :D
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[User Picture]From: whitetail
2012-04-20 11:43 pm (UTC)
I'd nominate yippee. He's been in the fandom forever, he's a great artist, and master fursuiter, and an all-around super guy. A paragon of furrydom, IMHO.
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[User Picture]From: sonious
2012-04-21 12:52 am (UTC)
Fred, I mean hey, he's younger then McCain and Paul so why not?
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[User Picture]From: sonious
2012-04-21 01:28 am (UTC)
And by Fred I mean Fred Patten.

I mean I understand it's all about the Kage because of the whole drive thing, but that idea wasn't even his, he just ran it.


Navajo was the first to suggest it, a lot of furries were clamoring for it and the demand was there. Being a good listener is part of being a good leader, but when he's done more spontaneous things, such as the 2 Gryphon Eurofrence donation drive it kind of blew up in his face.

That's why I wouldn't pick Kage as our "president", if anything he'd be the Secretary of State. His ability to deal with extra-fandom organizations and individuals is praise worthy. His ability to deal with "Domestic" issues, well, not the greatest. When things get a little close to home he's more likely to gaffe.

I believe this is why those who "don't care" about those foreigners are less likely to care for Kage, while those who care about our "diplomacy" with the outside world tend to praise him, he does good at bridging that gap.
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[User Picture]From: wildbilltx
2012-04-22 07:01 am (UTC)
I had someone at a convention last year tell me I was a "Famous Fur" because of my con photos and videos on YouTube. I told her "I'm not famous I'm just having fun". I just wanted to give something back to the fandom I love.

I think that's what happened to Kage, 2 Yippie, LatinVixen, BBF, Scribblefox, Kyell, TaniDaReal, Matthew Ebel and Bucktown. They all wanted to contribute, furs really enjoyed what they did, word got around and now all of them have become GOH's at cons. Sure some wanted to make money for their art and have some fans, but I dont think they ever wanted to be a leader in anything.

As for Kage, I agree with the "Secretary of State" description. The guy has the smarts and charisma for dealing with the media and chairing the worlds biggest furry convention. He gets younger furs putting him on a podium all the time.

His 2 Gryphon Eurofrence donation drive backfired at the beginning because a lot of furs just didn't "get" the sarcasm and humor in his original request. He worded it the wrong way and wound up pissing off a lot of people. But in the end 2 got the money he needed to go to EF that year. I'm glad Kage hasn't made request for donations that way again.

I dont think our fandom needs or wants a leader. It's what makes our fandom unique. And honestly, if someone stepped up and proclaimed to be the leader of all the furries, I'd be the first one to tell him or her they're full of shit!

Edited at 2012-04-22 08:11 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: crocodile
2012-04-21 10:29 pm (UTC)
Whomever could walk the fine line between honesty and self-preservation. The problem is that because the typical angle those outside the fandom take whenever doing news on it is so one-sided, usually the response from our side is to deny everything and lose credibility in the process.

Yes, it's true that the truth isn't something a lot of people are smart enough to handle, but frankly I'd rather that be their problem than for us to pacify them with obviously untrue denials that there's anything sexual going on.

Any leader would have to be willing to tell it like it is, closed minded idiots be damned. Someone who doesn't take everything deathly serious, and someone that doesn't need to mock everything either. Honestly, anyone smart enough to be qualified would realize the inherent problem with being a leader of a subgroup with such totally diverse interests and opinions.

Lastly, it should be someone who is real, not manufactured. I realize that people in office are supposed to appear perfect in every way, but I feel a hundred times more comfortable with someone who has screwed up and can admit it than someone who is afraid to speak a word that might possibly vaguely offend someone somewhere. Being a leader means taking a stand. You have to pick a side sometimes lest you stand for nothing but the safety of your own reputation.

Edited at 2012-04-21 10:30 pm (UTC)
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